Welcome to "THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE" Info:

GO DIRECTLY to the following:

  1. TOMBSTONE vs BEATTY Lawsuit This is the latest move by the City of Tombstone on the Little Man.
    With the Water Rights Portion of the Lawsuit dismissed 07Nov12, SV Herald.

  2. TOMBSTONE vs USDA/USFS Lawsuit A 26Dec12 AZ Daily Star article states that
    Tombstone loses appeal to repair the Mountain Water System without going thru the USFS
    See the official ruling at Justia US Law by downloading a PDF file.

  3. GOLDWATER INSTITUTE SPIN etc

  4. MONUMENT FIRE

  5. FLOODS DPS Photos and Leonard Taylor's comparisons Photos for the Monument Fire/Floods

  6. AFFECTS ON WILDLIFE etc Bob Herrmann's before and aft Photos of Tombstone's HEAVY
    EQUIPMENT Work in the Miller Peak Wilderness Area.

  7. Has Miller Canyon had a record Flood since the Monument Fire? Tombstone thinks so. You decide!

  8. SOLUTIONS to TOMBSTONE'S WATER PROBLEMS

  9. TOMBSTONE POLITICS

  10. MARCH RECALL/NOVEMBER ELECTION

  11. WATER SYSTEM LEAKS etc

  12. HUACHUCA WATER SYSTEM PROJECT

  13. 1000 SHOVEL EVENT

  14. Flake's HR 5791 Bill: The Emergency Water Supply Restoration Act

  15. FILL OUT US Corps of Engineers UNAUTHORISED WORK FORM

I would like to start with something positive about the Monument Fire, a photo.


Taken Sept 2011 by Tom Jr. It shows how the high elevations along the Eastside Trail of Carr Peak
(at least) did alright by the Monument Fire. Carr Canyon Road has been closed since the Fire, so it was
a long hike by JR. Looking SE one can see San Jose Peak in Mexico and Miller Peak to the Right. Note
the ratio of green vs standing dead trees that make this area ripe for another fire.


SOLUTIONS to TOMBSTONE'S WATER PROBLEMS:

Tombstone News: 01Feb13 article Council Proposes Water Fee Increase for Residential and Commercial
shows how bad the water problems are a drain on the City's Finances.

Tombstone News: Tombstone Dec 2012 Council Meeting, Item H: Termination of the temporary forces assigned to the repairs. deferred until Jan 2013 Council Meeting.

This 8JUN12 SV Herald our opinion article gives a solution to Tombstone Water Problems.

The City of Tombstone State Rights Administration does not care about solutions. Read the City
Manager's Spin Letter to the Tombstone News Editor to see why this is so. His "throwing the city into yet
another water emergency" therein really shows their States Rights way of thinking, instead of a solution.

Good Green PR for Tombstone if they would just DRILL A WELL outside the city, use solar power and let
the Wildlife have the Huachuca Water. Maybe the coming election will make this kind of change! Until then
Tombstone will go further in the red than the present half million: with more lawyer fees, temp pipeline repairs
and related costs. Replacing the Leaking Reservoir with a modern Water Tank/Tower would be great too.

This link and video shows our problems with Tombstone.

The Save Miller Canyon Campaign is now on Facebook, click on:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Save-Miller-Canyon/172025966257483 and leave a comment etc.

Finally a 29Apr12 SV Herald Editorial Article Our View: Tombstone needs to act now. Welcome Aboard.

FILL OUT an US Corps of Engineers UNAUTHORIZED WORK FORM if you feel that it was wrong that
TOMBSTONE went into the Miller Peak Wilderness Area unauthorized.


TOMBSTONE vs USDA/USFS LAWSUIT: Goldwater Institute: Tombstone VS United States

11Apr14: The Lawsuit is active again in the Tucson US District Court of Judge Frank R. Zapata Awaiting a Ruling
after Legal Maneuvering, since 14May12, when Judge Zapata denied "the motion for preliminary injunction".
Here are just a few of these Maneuvers: (for more go to the above link)

1. City of Tombstone's Verified Second Amended Complaint for Declaratory and Injunctive Relief filed (12/11/2013)

2. Supreme Court again refuses Tombstone's plea

3. 02Jun12 SV Herald U.S. high court denies Tombstone water relief

4. APPEALING Tucson US District Court Judge Frank R. Zapata (14May12 denial) to the 9th Circuit Court and getting a 04Dec12 denial.

For more info on this denial, go to 9th Circuit Court hearing on Tombstone VS USDA/USFS oral argument and 26Dec12 AZ Daily Star article
Tombstone loses appeal to repair the Mountain Water System without going thru the USFS

Read the 28Dec12 SV Herald article for comments from Officials after hearing the appeal FAILED

Because of these comments and Tombstone News: Tombstone 11Dec12 Council Meeting, Item H: Termination of the temporary forces assigned to the repairs. deferred until Jan 2013 Council Meeting. The Jan Council Meeting should be interesting.

05Mar14: Arizona Star article states the Arizona House rejected Bill 2541 which allows towns/cities to override the federal government and access federal land during emergencies The bill was written with Tombstone is mind and is like Flake's HR 5791 Bill: The Emergency Water Supply Restoration Act
Both are examples of how lawmakers waste time and $. As is the following:
28Feb14: Tombstone News In a show of support for Arizona House Bill 2541, the COT Council voted unanimously to pass Resolution No. 05-2014

30Mar12: Public Radio KPBS Story As Old As The West: Tombstone Files Suit For Water gives a good balanced
overview of the problems Tombstone Faces.

Well written SV Herald 30Dec12 Editorial Article Our View: Will Tombstone raise the stakes?

The Pending Lawsuit Tombstone vs Beatty is the latest move by the City of Tombstone
on the Little Man.

Mayor's Cool clear water comments

The 08Apr12 SV Herald article Tombstone lawsuit focuses on state rights is based on the following:
Goldwater Institute: Tombstone VS United States and the following 4 links therein:
Motion for Preliminary Injunction (3/30/12)
Memo in Support of Motion for Preliminary Injunction (3/30/12)
Separate Statement of Facts in Support of Motion for Preliminary Injunction (3/30/12)
Amended Complaint for Declaratory and Injunctive Relief (3/30/12).

Also the Goldwater Institute: Tombstone VS United States link is updated with press releases
and how the institute is coming along with the Lawsuit. So visit it now and then.

We are mentioned in #4, Amended Complaint ---- item 9.

The above SV Herald article was first a "Premium Member Lock Article" but now is unlocked.

This is too important to be a Premium Member Article. It needs to go more public. Because it shows that
if Tombstone wins, one can kiss the Miller Peak Wilderness Area goodbye. Lots more bad things are in
the updated Amended Complaint for Declaratory and Injunctive Relief (3/30/12)

The article states that the USDA/USFS has until 30 May 2012 to reply.

16May12 Federal Judge to Tombstone: No H20 for You! states that the Lawsuit is on hold until 15Jun12. At which time
a scheduling order will be made to determine if a trial would happen.

26Dec11 SV Herald: USFS Authorizes Tombstone can work in Miller Peak Wilderness Area to Second Crossing
with the Miller Canyon Trail closed until 15 March 2012.

The following Points to the USFS's NEPA Gardner Springs Page and some NEPA info, while the
next Points to a USFS's NEPA Miller Spring Decision only since NO required NEPA was done.

Both show that the USFS tried to give the City of Tombstone what they wanted without going to the
Public etc. I find the local Biologist's statements on no threats to Spotted Owls/Frogs hard to swallow,
because this Water Grab by Tombstone will dry up the Miller Creek in Many Places.

You will find these 2 links very interesting and I'm sure you will not agree with some info. There is
even a link to comment etc.

Here is one comment that hit the nail on the head, I could not have said it better.

Tom...thanks for sharing the NEPA links on what happening in the Huachucas. Reading them almost made me feel physically sick...all this was done after the fact accommodating and everything that was done by COT. They tried to cover what they were suppose to do by stating that it was all alright and nothing was adversely affected! These  documents are a travesty and a insult to anyone familiar with the Wilderness Act and the ESA. (Even if you were unaware of them simple common sense would suffice) I am hoping that Dr. Silver will challenge this complete abrogation of USFS responsibility.   As far as I'm concerned nothing less then the resignation of Upchurch and his Wildlife Biologist would be a start  and my further efforts will be directed that way. Please share this e-mail with as many people as you wish. Bob Moses

Bob: Early in 2012 the Wildlife Biologist took a BLM job in the NW.

The following 3 articles are related to the COT vs USFS Lawsuit filed 28Dec 2011  so Tombstone
can do anything they want. They have applied for an USDA Rural Development Loan/Grant to get
$ if the Lawsuit goes their way. Because an Environmental Assessment is needed the Center for
Biological Diversity has filed a REQUEST FOR PARTICIPATION IN THE ONGOING TOMBSTONE PIPELINE NATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY ACT (NEPA) PROCEEDINGS This is the best news yet
because a public notice of the environmental assessment will be published in a local newspaper.

  1. See how the USFS Signed Authorization for Gardner Spring and Required Specs limits Tombstone.

  2. Click on City of Tombstone Sues the USFS for access to the Huachuca Mountain Water for the full
    Howard Fischer "Capitol Media Services" article published in the SV Herald. The reporter works
    out of Phoenix and covers the legislature and generally state political issues. I Hope this awakes
    the Locals, Fort 50, City of Sierra Vista to the Water Grab and shows the COT Citizens their Mayor
    is wasting $ on a 130 year old system that Leaks and is presently Plugged here in Miller Canyon.

  3. A rewritten/shorter Tucson Star edited version.


TOMBSTONE vs BEATTY LAWSUIT:

07Nov12: SV Herald article on Cochise County Superior Court's DISMISSAL of Water Rights Portion of TOMBSONE vs BEATTY Lawsuit

Following from Tombstone News, 17Jan14 Mayor Schmidt's 2014 State of the City Address article:

“The lawsuit with the Beatty Guest Ranch is still on going. Every time the paper prints that we lost an
appeal everyone thinks that we lost the lawsuit and that is just not the reality of it. Everyone thinks the
lawsuits are about water rights when they are about Right of Ways.”

Comment: Cochise County Superior Court DISMISSED the WATER part, citing a lack of jurisdiction
due to another court case, now before the Maricopa County Superior Court in the case designated as
“In the General Adjudication of All Rights to Use Water in the Gila River System and Source".

The Cochise County Superior Court WATER dismissal, split our LAWSUIT into two parts:
1. WATER part:
COT appealed this Cochise County Superior Court DISMISSAL to The Arizona Court of Appeals Division 2, where
the 3 Judge panel DISMISSED the appeal on 27Nov13, DUE TO a violation of the OPEN MEETING LAW and late filing.

Since Tombstone's Lawyer did not bothered to answer our Statement of Defendants/Counterclaim by
the required date our lawyer submitted an "entry of default" and "an application for a default judgment".

Then on 27Dec13 COT filed an Arizona Supreme Court PETITION FOR REVIEW on the
The Arizona Court of Appeals Division 2 WATER dismissal. Which the Arizona Supreme Court DENIED on 22APR14.

2. PROPERTY part:
Ruling pending in Superior Court of Cochise County. The Court should give a ruling hopefully by MAY 2014.

The City of Tombstone lawyer Letter threatening a LAWSUIT if we don't sign the QUIT CLAIM DEED.
Tomblinson 1919 Patented Land Deed and the $5 CHECK we get if we sign the QUIT CLAIM. Duh.
We did not sign, hence the Lawsuit.

See Items L/M of the Oct 2013 Council meeting Where COT tried to fix NOT HAVING an open meeting on the
USDA and Beatty Lawsuits.

Finally on 03/04Jan13 in (A Case of "Better Late than Never") response, Tombstone's Lawyer filed:

  1. Answer to Counterclaim,

  2. Motion to Dismissed Counterclaim,

  3. Notice of Appeal of Water Rights Judgment Also contains the Judgment and Judge's defer of Judgment.

  4. Motion to Set Aside Entry of Default and Judgment Also contains his personal problems for filing late.

  5. Objection to the Demand for Judgment

  6. Tombstone's Disclosure Statement filed 14Jan13 shows their witnesses if and when a trial etc.

  7. Reply Motion to Set Aside Default filed 17Jan13.

  8. Response to Motion to Strike filed 24Jan13.

  9. Amended Motion to Dismiss Counterclaim filed 24Jan13, see item 3 above.

In answer to the above filings our Lawyer filed on 04Feb13 Beatty Resp to Motion to Dismiss and Strike

The New Year brings a new Judge to our case. Old one retired and her replacement had a conflict of
Interest. Hence another Judge was appointed to handle the above items.

Flake's HR 5791 Bill: The Emergency Water Supply Restoration Act:

Was a waste of time and money, since it did not get out of committee!

Now has 4 Cosponsors:

Rep. Trent Franks [R-AZ2] (joined Jun 05, 2012)
Rep. Paul Gosar [R-AZ1] (joined Jun 05, 2012)
Rep. Tom McClintock [R-CA4] (joined Jun 05, 2012)
Rep. David Schweikert [R-AZ5] (joined Jun 05, 2012)

The Tombstone News 18May12 article Judge Denies Injunction is very well written and brings you up
to date. It has a comment by US Rep. Jeff Flake, who on 17May12 introduced H.R. 5791: The Emergency
Water Supply Restoration Act
. Which would give States, Power over Federal Agencies. The bill most
likely was written with GOLDWATER INSTITUTE input.

During Flake's successful run for the US Senate, one of his TV ads stated he founded the Goldwater Institute.
He was posted on the Institute's Website before the election, but now that reference is gone. This make sense
why he was in Miller Canyon for the Tombstone's 1000 Shovel Event

Flake seeks legislation on water for Tombstone

I received an email from Amelia.Jenkins@mail.house.gov, Senior Policy Advisor, Democratic Staff,
Committee on Natural Resources, who wanted my comments and JR's comments on HR 5791.

29 May12 SV Herald Our Opinion: Politics at play in Flake’s move


WATER SYSTEM LEAKS:

05Mar14: jaguar-gets-new-layer-of-us-protection will make it harder for COT to work ON LEAKS in the
NON Wilderness areas of the Huachucas, since they must get USF&W okay to work.

21Dec13: Five Tombstone Employees arrived at our place just after 8 AM, to get the okay to walk thru,
so they could replace the 08Nov13 fix with a more permanent one.

A Power Saw was used to cut out a 3-4 foot length of pipe that contained the leaking joint, then a 6"
blue-green plastic onsite pipe was put in. While 3 of the 5 were mainly mules to carry the needed items,
ALL were needed at the site. I went up and watched. They left just before noon.

COMMENTs: The plastic pipe could easy break during a flood, just like the broken piece that was carried
down by a flood to our property. This NO LEAK fix means NO WATER for wildlife.

I had received an email from the USFS stating that they were coming and had USFS okay.

08Nov13: Tombstone employees used a come-a-long and cable to fix the above pipeline leak at Miller Springs.
The pipeline has been leaking for several months and about half the water has been going into Miller Creek.
Result is the creek has dried up and less water for wildlife there and downhill.

They made a BIG DEAL of this leak during the 1000 SHOVEL EVENT, asking the USFS to let them bring
in a Power Saw etc. and afterwards; right up to 08Nov13. A Duct Tape Fix was attempted during the Shovel
Event that only lasted until the first good flood.

Tom Jr. talked about this Leak in Public Radio KPBS Story As Old As The West: Tombstone Files Suit For Water

Ted Mouras' Commentary: David versus Goliath? Maybe not shows how bad the leaks are.

Here is an 8JUN12 SV Herald our opinion article that is worth reading.

During the so called Emergency (also declared by our Governor at the urging of State Senator Griffen
and Representative Gowan) they found out that the Reservoir had been leaking over 300,000 gallons/day
or almost an acre foot (325,851 gallons) of water for some time. Now I know why the Mayor was stating
a $10,000/month cost of pumping water instead of the $5000/month that I had heard in the past.

I have been told that the amount of pipeline water is now around 2/3 of an acre foot per day. If this
is correct? Then fixing the reservoir would have been a better choice for a City only Emergency.

On checking for the leaks they also found that the reservoir roof was ready to collapses, just one more
reason for a Recall.

Read about this and more from the 12 Jan 2012 Tombstone Council Minutes.

The following Shows that 40% of City Of Tombstone's water is leaking from their Water System.
This well written article also contains some other info like the Visit by Azwifa's Dean Moulis.
The article also states there are 6 leaks per year in the Huachuca pipeline and a permanent leak at
SR92 and Carr. There has been a grove of cottonwoods there for years.

NOTE: The water lost is about the same as they get from the Huachucas.

Remember this link is based on data over 10 years old, so I'm sure the leak rate is now somewhat
higher for the 130 year old pipeline.

Using the above leak information and the
"ADWR 2003 report on Tombstone Water System that states they have enough water one can
easily see that they don't need any Water from the Huachucas.

All this confirms what I have said "That the COT should have declared a Fix Leak Emergency before
the Monument Fire" instead of after, as declared by the Mayor and seconded by the Governor's Grant.

Click KOLD story on Tombstone Water Worries to see a one sided view.

For years instead of fixing leaks, they just put more water in the pipeline. Great headline for a Newspaper.

Bisbee Daily Review 13Sep1907:Tombstone Will Lose Water Presssure article shows History repeats.
Great example of Déjà Vu.
Note therein:
1. Huachuca Water Co. (HWC) Issues order that will take Fire Protection from Tombstone, Insurance Rates go up.
2. Pipeline is leaking, cost too high to fix.
3. Lawsuit Tombstone vs HWC, appealed all the way to US Supreme Court.
4. Tombstone  Reservoir leaking.
5. Give water to Bisbee.

MARCH RECALL/NOVEMBER ELECTION:

The Tombstone Huachuca Water Grab started with the election of a new Mayor in 2010. During
Mar-Apr 2011 COT water personnel were talking about TAKING more water because none was
reaching Tombstone due to leaks, Also an April visit by Azwifa's Dean Moulis confirms this.

The Mayor did not mention the above when issuing his emergency order. Instead he gives the
floods as the reason. So the Governor issued her emergency order based on a half truth and the
spin goes on that the Floods are the reason for all of Tombstone's Huachuca water troubles.

Here is another Mayor reflects on future and one more USFS stalls COT repairs. http://www.courthousenews.com/aboutus.html

A positive: There is a Recall Election for the Tombstone Mayor on 13 March. The person running
against him is for drilling a new well and giving up Huachuca Water.

The last statement as of 30Mar12 is not true, visit NPR article New Mayor not giving up Huachuca Water and Lawsuit is still on. Tombstone Greed is once again live and well.

THE RECALL WAS SUCCESSFUL! TOMBSTONE HAS A NEW MAYOR. There was a switch of around 100
voters with the New Mayor winning by a 11% Margin. The same percentage as the Recalled Mayor did in
2010. The change of voters was really 22%, not bad for a turnout that had 100 less voters.


HUACHUCA WATER SYSTEM PROJECT (NWSP):

Tombstone News 15Mar13 article: Jack-Wright-appointed-public-works-director-for-the-city-of-tombstone
gives the city a solid foundation and lots of VALID Tombstone Huachuca Pipeline Problem History.

Is Tombstone's Archivist Nancy Sosa, as a City Employee, IN or OUT? You decide by reading Tombstone
News March 2013 article Mayor-invokes-right-not-to-sign-foundation-contract

Tombstone News: 25Jan13 Special Council Meeting article contains the lay off of the temporary NWSP
employees, effective immediately.

The Epitaph 1882: Huachuca Water Co. Article is a flowering account of the just completed Project.
It contains some useful facts, but written in the style of making the project look great. Like "This is a
solid structure, able to laugh storms to scorn..." Which lasted to, I believe, 1905.

Tombstone News: Tombstone Dec 2012 Council Meeting, Item H: Termination of the temporary forces assigned to the repairs. deferred until Jan 2013 Council Meeting.

19Aug11 SVHerald: Governor grants Tombstone emergency funds.

This Link Contains several Tombstone Water System articles, one you may find interesting is
the one on Right-of Ways, but you need to scroll for it and others.

http://theepitaph.com/index.php has a couple of articles on Tombstone Water Problems:
Such as Vandalism and "Someone is also trying to prevent crews from accessing the work sites"? I believe
that someone is Us. All blown up of course. Tombstone can walk around our property like everyone else.

The following 4 related items are just part of Tombstone's Grab for more Huachuca Water. Enjoy.

  1. A Gannett Fleming $36,580 Preliminary Engineering Report and Environmental Statement
    for an USDA Emergency Grant application. The report is very biased, full of half truths
    and no true Environment stuff; but Tombstone is using it as their working document.

    The Marshall data is a laugh, there is nothing there but our little pipeline. Their McCoy Springs
    are really Miller Springs. I like the part about a road up Marshall Canyon.

  2. The following COT Council DISCUSSION is about funding the Gannett Fleming Study/USDA Grant .
    See Item F.

    The good news is that the COT did not get the Emergency Grant. However on 23Dec11 the COT
    took personnel from the same Grant/Loan Agency into the MPWA. For more information visit: http://www.rurdev.usda.gov/UWEP_HomePage.html

  3. Last but not least is the Approval to hire Kevin Rudd as a Temporary Full Time Project Manager.

    First time I met him, he was looking for McCoy Springs, and I told him about our McCoy Pond and
    he started right off saying "that we were Stealing/Tapping into Tombstone Water". Likewise for
    Marshall Springs.

    I asked him if he looked inside our Marshall Springs System and he said NO. I stated the COT
    Lawyer sent us Photos of his activities, then of course he recanted.

  4. USFS Authorizes Tombstone can work in Miller Peak Wilderness Area to Second Crossing
    with the Miller Canyon Trail closed until 15 March 2012.

26Dec11 SVHerald: USFS Authorizes Tombstone can work in Miller Peak Wilderness Area to Second Crossing
with the Miller Canyon Trail closed until 15 March 2012.

How the Tombstone Mayor met the Huachuca Mountain Water System Engineer Gets one Thinking!

This article also states that Carr Canyon Water has been in the Pipeline since mid Summer, but then
see the COT Mayor's remarks in item 2 above stating no water. Can one assume it is lost to leaks.

The 03 November 2011 AZ Daily Star (Tucson) newspaper article
Tombstone pushes for quick action to restore water source is well written. I like the "stinkin' permits"
of the first Paragraph.


FILLING OUT UNAUTHORIZED WORK FORM: Read on.

By reading Page 1 of the USFS 07Nov2011 Authorization for Miller Spring work by COT and Page 2
one can see this is NOT a RESTORE project, but a HUGE REDESIGN built around a new Catch Basin
that is within an 8 foot High, 20 foot Wide, 240 foot Long Embankment. This is what you get when you
don't have full time monitoring and a design plan.

Being Tombstone they went ahead and worked in the Miller Peak Wilderness Area (MPWA) without
an US Corps of Engineers 404 Permit and before the above Authorization.

To report this unauthorized activity fill out the http://www.spl.usace.army.mil/regulatory/ form.
The form is just below the top banner in the middle of the webpage as "Unauthorized Activity".

The following are our filled out forms for Miller Springs and Beatty's Guest Ranch Properties.

If one does this, the Feds may NOT look the other way like the USFS did for the City of Tombstone
(COT) work in Miller Canyon. Please fill out one for the MPWA Miller Springs "Unauthorized Activity"
work and another for the Beatty's Guest Ranch property broken pipeline project.

The Corps file number for both projects is SPL-2011-1047-RJD. Anyone in the Corps can find the
file if you give them this number. Administrative Penalties for 404 permit


TOMBSTONE POLITICS:

28JUN14: Click on Dusty Escapule's message-to-the-citizens-of-tombstone for the Tombstone News Editor
and Mayor Candidate comments of why he is the best one to be Mayor.

13JUN14: List of 3 Mayor, and Council Candidates for 28Aug14 Primary.

18Apr14: Tombstone News fire-destroys-gunfight-set-for-second-time Read this KEYSTONE COP article
and then decide if they were lucky? ETC.
Do you think it is a good example of "We have met the ENEMY and it is US"?

05Feb14: If Tombstone Holiday Estates, which is just North East of Tombstone, can drill a NEW WELL and install
t a cost of $112.000. Why can't Tombstone? Even Huachuca City is looking at a new well.
See http://images.edocket.azcc.gov/docketpdf/0000149005.pdf (page 51) for more info.
I recall, from some 2013 council meeting: COT can use Holiday Estates water if COT's water gets low.

The following Tombstone News article is worth reading:
Mayor Schmidt Gives State of the City Address for his comments on the TOMBSTONE vs BEATTY Lawsuit
and the TOMBSTONE vs USDA/USFS Lawsuit

Tombstone News 12Jan14 article: former-city-employee-fa 5000 gallon storage tank, aound-deceased-explosives-found-in-home
is a must read and raises a lot of questions about the city's hiring/good old boys/drug-testing procedures.

The Tombstone Epitaph, 06Dec12 article With the election over, Council weighs water woes gives
a one sided view, but is worth reading for that.

27Aug12: SV Herald City Clerk resigned after primary election.

Following TOMBSTONE NEWS articles show some of this politics:

15Nov13: Two Out Of Three Bond Measures Fail. However the one million dollar Water Bond issue
passed narrowly. The cost of the blending plan is $250,750 with the rest going to repair the springs,
pipeline, reservoir, upgrade fire hydrants and backflows with meters in the downtown area.

02Aug13: mayor-updates-citizens-on-water-issues Note the money wasted on the Arsenic Removal Plant.

29Mar13: March 2013 Public Hearing & Special Council Meeting The first item on the agenda
was a PROPOSED MONTHLY WATER USER FEE. Go to the above link to see the reasons: such as
emergency repairs to the Huachuca Mountain Springs and future repairs to the springs and aqueduct.

 http://thetombstonenews.com/mayor-schmidt-meets-with-congressman-barber-to-discuss-water-issues-p3871-1.htm

What is needed here is an investigating Reporter to look into the lawsuits/emergency/future repair costs etc.

Is COT headed into another Lawsuit? See Tombstone News: 14Feb14 Article tempers-flare-at-february-council-meeting

Is Tombstone's Archivist Nancy Sosa, as a City Employee, IN or OUT? You decide by reading:
1. 25Jan13: Tombstone News: Special Council Meeting has much discussion on Status of Archives. Looks like a Non Profit 501(c)(3) Foundation
will be formed around Nancy Sosa. The Archivist would no longer be a True City Employee, but that of the Non Profit.

"City Attorney Bays stated that as the Council knows, I am a fan of the Archives primarily because the Archives and the work that Nancy Sosa has
done has been instrumental on a number of different areas but primarily the litigation areas." Turns out it was GREAT for the USDA/USFS too.

2. Early Mar13: Tombstone News: Mayor-invokes-right-not-to-sign-foundation-contract
3. 22Nov13: Tombstone News: City-continues-to-go-in-the-hole-with-archives
4. 17Jan14: Tombstone News: City Records To Be Returned To City Clerk implies that Nancy Sosa's Archives position is eliminated.
5. 05Feb14: SV Herald Public Notice for Archives Non Profit 501(c)(3) Foundation Classical case of better late than never.
6. 14Feb14: Tombstone News: tempers-flare-at-february-council-meeting See Public Comments, then Item N discussion and tabled items: O/P/Q/R.
Which all pertain to the City and Archives Foundation problems.
7. 07Mar14: Tombstone News: mayor-says-historic-records-likely-to-be-moved-to-bisbee
8. 04Apr14: Tombstone News: foundation-for-the-tombstone-archives-fails-to-pay-city-or-receive IRS status by 31Mar14
9. 11Apr14: Tombstone News:
county-depository-to-store-citys-historic-records and Mayor Schmidt went on to say that City Archivist Nancy Sosa
will revert back to an exempt City employee until the records are moved. Stay tuned for Nancy's status after the records are moved.

It now seems this has turned into a can of worms or maybe a Soap Opera!

25Jan13: Special Council Meeting Has 2 Motions:
1. Lay off the temporary employees designated for the springs repair effective immediately. Item passed unanimously.
2. Two days a month furlough for all employees other than the Marshals Office which will take a 10% salary decrease
effective immediately to end on June 30th 2013. Item passed unanimously.

08Jan13: January-city-council-meeting where the first item on the agenda is an EXECUTIVE SESSION
with the City Lawyer/Goldwater Institute to discuss pending Lawsuits legal issues. Followed by the
state-of-the-city-address-by-mayor-schmidt where he talks about the Lawsuits; and the $500,000
Grant (no matching funds), $600,000 Grant (25% matching funds) and the rest at a 1% Loan. By the rest,
one needs to get the Engineering Report for upgrading the pipeline and therefore see the millions more.

He also talks that maybe Tombstone is finally getting some negative PR because of the Lawsuits, and
it affects on business.

I would think maybe all the recent shootings have more of an affect, parents don't want their Kids
watching reenactments. For example: A Tombstone News, Letter to the Editor, written by a mother that
start with "I am writing to express by displeasure over an old west street show...." shows how this is so.

He talks about the Catch 22, of suing the Federal Government and then get Federal Funds to work on
BLM land etc. Yes, they plan to replace the pipeline at the San Pedro River. Think about all the hoops that
the State had to go thru with BLM for the Bridge work on SR90. It would be much cheaper and better for all
to dig a well. See SOLUTIONS to TOMBSTONE'S WATER PROBLEMS

Think about the pipeline replacement going thru hundreds of people property and how they would react etc.

28Dec12: federal-appeals-court-rejects-tombstones-appeal Shows legal costs of almost
$170,000 for outside law firms and $408,000 due to the water infrastructure issues.
Looking back at their top stories of 2012 Two paragraphs on former Mayor's Son, Justin
Henderson's Fed Court problems. Justin was the main operator of the Heavy Equipment
on our property and in the Wilderness area. There is also a statement on Ex-Mayor's city
credit gas card being used after his recalled.

Adding the 05Nov13 Special Election One Million Dollar Water Bond: cost of blending equipment etc. to the
above $480,000 and the cost of having Huachuca Mountain Water goes to at least $750,000.

14Dec12: Tombstone Dec 2012 Council Meeting, Item H: Termination of the temporary forces assigned to the repairs. deferred until Jan 2013 Council Meeting.
Mayor Schmidt retains his seat, etc.
09Nov2012: Mayor Addresses Numerous Issues Regarding Tombstone's Future is an
eye opener about the City's Plan to use Rural Development $ on the Huachuca Pipeline
.
This and our Lawyer's Letter to Rural Development are must reads.
26Oct2012 Mayor Schmidt Addresses Tombstone’s Water Issues
shows how bad their water system is. Is also a must read.
September 2012 Regular Council Meeting
City’s Finance Manager Says City Is $531,000.00 in the Red
Mayor Attempts to Resolve Financial Crisis
shows that Tombstone is close to Bankruptcy.

This Tombstone News Unsigned Letter to the Editor really clears up a lot of things.

Herb Linn's letter #1 to Tombstone News Editor states:

"Now, as for this wonderful individual that some of the council wants to become public works director, why can’t he complete the state paper work for the springs, why was the job at the springs completed as of April 6th, but he and all the other people that were hired under the emergency act still on the public dole???"

"I have been told that the crew has been done at the springs since April 6th, but still the City must bear the burden of their wages because of litigation. It seems the City is stuck in this situation due to the potential of the Crew as eyewitnesses for our lawsuit against the Forestry Service."

Herb Linn's letter #2 to Tombstone News Editor has some more comments, Great one on the shovel Brigade.

Round and Round we go Randy Davis on Herb Lynn and Richard Fenton on Davis

Another Tombstone News letter: This one from Mayor Stephen Schmidt shows Tombstone Budget up a THIRD, and again states:

"There is really only one thing to be said about the Temporary Full Time Crew at the springs, and that is litigation. All the Lawyers say that to lay them off would be detrimental to the City’s lawsuit against the Forestry Service. Even though I do not feel pushing wheelbarrows around in a canyon is very productive. I have been told that the crew has been done at the springs since April 6th, but still the City must bear the burden of their wages because of litigation. It seems the City is stuck in this situation due to the potential of the Crew as eyewitnesses for our lawsuit against the Forestry Service."

"Public works has no direction at all and those that work in Public Works are doing a great job getting by with the limited supervision they have had for the last month and a half. There are some on the Council that would try to push me down a road I will not go. For this reason I will put Phil Korte on the agenda again. I do not believe Public Works needs a paper pusher. Everyone I have talked to in Public Works is highly in favor of Phil Korte. They have even approached me to ask if the City Employees could put the Public Works Director to a vote by them. If Public Works gets any worse it will cause a state of emergency for the City."

http://theepitaph.com/index.php also has an article on the New Mayor having trouble appointing a Public Work Director.

Tombstone News article: If Public Works Gets Any Worse It Will Cause A State Of Emergency shows Tombstone Budget up a THIRD.

Could one say that the Goldwater Institute is holding COT hostage to the tune of 1/2 million.

How the Recalled Tombstone Mayor met the Huachuca Water Project Manager Gets one Thinking! Read on.

The No Action Taken by Council on Huachuca Mountain Springs Temporary Work Force, DRUG
Testing comments from the April 2012 Board of Police Commissioners Meeting
and Justin Henderson's Court Problems raises a lot of questions about the Project Manager and his Safety Officer using Justin, but also clear some up, when you consider this is Tombstone Politics.

Justin was the main Tombstone Huachuca Equipment Operator until the last week of work that ended 01Mar12.

Tombstone News 18May12 article Safety Director Causes Loss of Prisoner Work Force states that COT
now has a Temp. Public Work Director and that the Safety Officer for the Huachucas was the cause of
the Loss of Prisoner Work Force.


1000 SHOVEL BRIGADE:

The 2 day event was a failure. On FRI-08 June less than 50 people went up canyon: including press, EMTs etc.
SAT-09 was Family Day with 35: that included a group of 20 with 4 kids/9 women. Another of 8 were 4M/4F.

However the City Manager's Letter to the Tombstone News spins a different story.

In case you didn't see the work permit request go to http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5372868.pdf

Other related 1000 Shovel Brigade articles are:

http://www.svherald.com/content/news/2012/06/07/268374

This http://www.svherald.com/content/news/2012/06/07/268608 show the equipment allowed.

https://www.facebook.com/TombstoneShovelBrigade

Mayor's Cool clear water comments

Tombstone Shovel Brigade Goals gives the days: 8/9 June and Sites when Tombstone hopes to bring
1000 people with shovels into the Huachucas.


GOLDWATER INSTITUTE SPIN etc:

The 10May12 CNN Article Showdown at the H2O Corral is a very biased article. The writer had an
appointment for an interview with me, but was late because Kevin Rudd/COT had driven her onto our property, parked and went up Canyon. I told her/TV crew that they were Trespassing, she said she had
a right to be there and i replied NO interview and get HELL out.

The following 11May12 Video http://goldwaterinstitute.org/blog/video-new-showdown-tombstone
is so untrue it will make you Sick. The result of the http://www.crewwestinc.com/ visit early May.

Using the Charity Navigator Website for the Goldwater Institute it shows for FYI 2010 that the woman
in the above video and another employee take 16.32% of expenses as their $272,199/$300,189 salaries.
If makes you wonder.

However the SVherald would not lift the Premium Lock on their 15Apr12 article
Legal puzzle governs issues between feds, Tombstone so it was sent to me by Robin Silver
(Center of Biological Diversity). Lots of Tombstone BS, but Tom Jr's statements are accurate.

The GOLDWATER INSTITUTE is helping Tombstone with the lawsuit and has sent us a letter asking us
to work together and forget any missteps on the City's part. DUH.

Some of these so called missteps are:

  1. Not Respecting our Property Rights.
  2. Eminent Domain Abuse when they stated they owned part of our Property.
  3. Stating that we are stealing Tombstone Water and Tapping into their Pipeline.
  4. Accused Us of Vandalism/Harassment and called the Sheriff twice.
  5. Took Flat Rocks from our Property that I was saving for use. Should have filed a complaint.
  6. Taking the door off of our Marshall Springs site, because they think they own that too. This act filled
    our Waterline with Sand. Should have filed a complaint. They tried to say this was one of theirs, not
    True. Their Marshall Springs are West 3000 feet. The USFS, I heard set them straight.
  7. Taking 3 months to repair the Pipeline on our Property and therefore keeping Us from Rehabbing it
    and also getting to the South 5 acres.
  8. Taking out Apple Trees that they did not need to. This will mean a loss of up to $5000/yr.
  9. Leaving Equipment on our Property.
  10. Leaving Gates open and Damaging them.
  11. Smoking on our Property and carrying a Gun.
  12. Hinting that they may file a lawsuit against us.
  13. Threating to take Us to Court if We don't let them have access to the Wilderness during the Emergency.
  14. Still driving in after the Emergency and parking, when they should have walked. At the least Most likely an
    Act of Trespassing for any outsiders that they have with them.
  15. Not rehabbing the illegal Wilderness Road per USFS spec., Result will cause lots of erosion on our
    property.
  16. Last but not Least. Tombstone's Lawyer Stating "that the Beatty's should not have any concern for
    environmental issues on other property."

We hired a Law Firm that advised us on some of the above at a cost of over $3700.

Taking the above in consideration, maybe the Goldwater Institute should be on our side against Tombstone?

Read the Feb-17 Goldwater Institute Article and the Mar-05 update to see who is working the case and to
click on links therein. Just remember the writer is using the usual Tombstone outdated BS.

Here are 3 spin articles on the $ that the USFS plans to charge the Goldwater Institute for FOI:
1. Forest Service Demands $80,000 to Turn Over Public Records to Non-profit
2. http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/11228-federal-government-is-keeping-tombstone-arizona-from-accessing-drinking-water
3.http://frontpagemag.com/2012/05/01/obama-administration-vs-tombstone/
Just the same BS as earlier articles with the $ Updates. Tom Sr.


AFFECTS ON WILDLIFE etc:

05Mar14: jaguar-gets-new-layer-of-us-protection will make it harder for COT to work in the NON Wilderness areas of the
Huachucas, since they must get USF&W okay to work.

08Nov13: Tombstone employees used a come-a-long and cable to fix the pipeline leak at Miller Springs.
The pipeline has been leaking for several months and about half the water has been going into Miller Creek.
Result is the creek has dried up and less water for wildlife there and downhill.

The tearing up of Ground/Trees with Heavy Machinery leaves no roots for re-growth. This is one
reason why a pair Spotted Owls are now being seen a mile further up canyon. No good cover.

However by mid April when the Spring leaves came out a third Spotted Owl moved in about 1/3 mile West of our property.

The Tombstone Epitaph article: government pipeline repairs spout controversy over construction Is very
poorly written, makes one think herds of animals are going North. They are still trying to get grants as
of 08Mar12. The reference outside the Wilderness, I'm sure is Clark's Spring.

03Dec11 SV Herald. Light reading shows a little of the troubles with Tombstone.

06Dec11. SV Herald. States our concerns about Tombstone work in the Miller Peak Wilderness affecting Wildlife
and Future Floods etc. Much more informative than 03Dec11.

SV Herald 14May12 article: affects on wildlife

25Jan13: Sometime in January the biggest Sycamore Tree in the Tombstone Intake Area fell over. The reason
was Tombstone cut most of its' roots during construction for the Miller Springs Dike. The below photo by
Tom Jr shows the fallen Sycamore.

One can see it standing in the below Photos.

A Negative: Before/After Photos of the Wilderness Miller Spring Area taken by Bob Herrmann.



Left side photos are before the Fire/Floods and the right side are after Tombstone Work/fire/floods.
The Photos show the Plunging Pool has been removed and replaced by a rock dam that will wash
out in the next flood. The Rocks that formed the Plunging Pool were removed and placed in a Dike
to protect a now covered water source that leaves no water for wildlife.

This Death Trap for Wildlife is out of place in a Wilderness Area and should not have been done.


Bob Herrmann's Photos at the BENSON/I10-SR90 JUNCTION to Sierra Vista/Huachuca Mountains.

The Spotted Owl is sitting on the Tombstone Pipeline near Gardner Springs above our property
in Miller Canyon. It is one of the two 2011 fledglings that many birders enjoyed. This Photo was
used by the Federal Government in the TOMBSTONE vs USDA/USFS Lawsuit.

03Dec11 SVHerald: Light reading shows a little of the troubles with Tombstone.

06Dec11 SVHerald: States our concerns about Tombstone work in the Miller Peak Wilderness.affecting Wildlife
and Future Floods etc. Much more informative than 03Dec11.

This grab for more Huachuca Mountain Spring Locations, up to 57 USFS Locations of 5 acres each,
is really a big environment issue. I'm sure it will go to the courts. They have told the SV Herald Editor
that the COT may sue the USFS. Also Us because they say we are stealing water from them. They also
think they own part of our property because 1 of the 57 locations is nearby. The USFS and the County
Assessor say they own NO property in the Huachucas. Our deeded property has been on the Tax Rolls
for over 100 years. There is no deeded records for the COT 57 Huachuca locations.

For awhile I could not let anyone through the property to look for the Spotted Owl, because the COT
posted a sign just West of our property in the Miller Peak Wilderness Area (MPWA) stating "Behind
this sign is City of Tombstone Property. No Trespassing, Violators will be prosecuted." One reason
for the sign I heard is that the COT did not want anyone up at their MPWA Miller Springs work site.
For some reason the COT engineer thought this was the only way one could go up Canyon. DA.

The USFS had them take down the sign (Major Violation) and stopped their work for many reasons:
Tearing down Huge Trees, Spotted Owl roosts, Working Without Permission etc.

"The Town to Tough to Die" should in this modern age be "The Town to Try" being GREEN instead
of sticking to the old ways.

Their Springs in Miller are in the Miller Peak Wilderness Area (MPWA) and are flood prone. Any
MPWA repairs done now will not last for at least 3-5 years. According to the COT City Manager it
took 4 years after the 1977 fire to get the Huachuca pipeline back in working order and the present
flooding is much worse.

The $50K in the Governor's Grant is just a waste, unless used to drill a well. They should
"get out of the MPWA" and leave the water therein. Putting the MPWA part of the water system
back into working order and fix the leaks will require lots of work and money. NO machinery should
be allowed in the MPWA (too late). This will really harm the Miller Canyon environment that is world
famous for Spotted Owls and other birds.

In the past when Tombstone shut off the MPWA water, the creek WOULD start flowing again down
below, so one can see the direct affect on wildlife. The MPWA does not mean a thing to them.


MONUMENT FIRE:


Monument Nightmare Photo by Bob Parks. Taken South of Miller Canyon on Wickersham Road in the Vista Grande Subdivision.

Below are questions that people have asked me. For GENERAL INFO just Google "Monument Fire".

DID YOU HAVE ANY DAMAGE?

1. We lost most of our 1300 TREE Apple Orchard to Fire, a few to Floods and Tombstone took out several.

2. Our Marshall Springs Water System Pipeline etc. had to be replaced at over a $10,000 cost.

3. 5000 gallon Water tank was burnt up.

4. Several Cords of Firewood were burnt up.

5. Misc. Items: like Tools, Fire Protection Hoses, Bridges were burnt.

6. Lost Garden Plants, but replanted some items.

In all our Insurance Company paid us around $23,000 for the above; and Lost of Income, Smoke Damage and
Fire Cleanup Cost.

WHAT WAS THE CAUSE OF THE FIRE?

Drug Runners started a Fire at the border to divert USBP Agents. At First the Higher Ups in the USBP and
Homeland Security said NO, but US Senator John McCain set them straight.

HOW LONG DID THE FIRE TAKE TO REACH YOU?

Six days, one day for each of the 6 miles we are from the border.

DID YOU STAY DURING THE FIRE?

YES: For Tom SR/JR, but NO for Edith. She went with the "When the going gets Tough, the Tough get going"
USFS personnel.

BY STAYING, DID YOU SAVE ANYTHING?

YES: We saved the 1911 Cabin A, several Apple Trees, Power Pole and may have saved other buildings.

WERE YOU AND JR SCARED DURING THE FIRE?

NOT REALLY: Too busy to think about that.

DID YOU THINK THE USFS DID A GOOD JOB AT FIGHTING THE FIRE?

Mostly YES. However I have some questions of my own.


FLOODS:

Lost most of our ponds, camping and some of our gardens. We will be living with the floods for years.

11Jul11 SV Herald article: Tells about our experience with the first flood but it is not all there.

Click on BAER 5 gates placement to see where the gates have been placed. There are two
in Carr Canyon. The USFS will close the gates when the areas behind them become unsafe.

For example in Carr Canyon the upper gate was closed after the fire/floods and reopened 15APR12.

All other Canyons are open. Miller Canyon Road at present, 12 Dec 2011, is in great shape. It is best
to have a High Clearance Vehicle since the road can go bad if it rains. Call us at 520-378-2728 to check.

Ann Youbery's Observations of Post Monument Fire Flows at Beatty's Guest Ranch, Miller Canyon,
Coronado National Forest, July 11, 2011
Shows Photos of how the floods are affecting our property.

The following photos were taken from a DPS Helicopter that came up right after the 11 July rain
because the Sheriff Dept could not reach us by phone.

Helicopter coming in from the East

Beatty Gulch flow: Units B/C, Store, our house/red Kia

Beatty Gulch flow: West Garden, North 5 acres.

Directly overhead of our House. Note sand filled Pond.

Marshall Canyon flow: Green Cabin A

Overhead View of Cabin A and Marshall Canyon to left

Landed Helicopter View of Unit B/C from West Garden

Takeoff View: Unit B/C, Store and former Beatty Pond

Westside of our House, note JR by 3 white dog houses

Eastside of Property, no pond

End of Pavement on Miller Canyon Road

End of pavement again, more to the East

Horse corral, Miller Creek and Road, looking South

Miller Creek, flooded houses

Miller Canyon Subdivision

Flow North of Miller, West of SR 92.

Carr Bridge Flow at SR 92/Mesquite Tree

Black Joe/Carr Creek Junction Overflow, South of Carr Creek

Leonard Taylor, Author of Trails of the Huachucas has done before and after
comparisons for the Monument Fire/Floods. Take a look at the contrasts.

1. Photos from the hang glider jump on Labor Day 2010, and again on Labor Day 2012.

2. Erosion Photos of City of Tombstone work in the Miller Peak Wilderness and checkout
his Trails of the Huachucas; Miller Canyon Trail page where Photos were taken.

His photo collection for the Miller Dam Site show how the Miller Spring's Area looked around 1900.
Because of the Dam, there were no big trees like the ones Tombstone took down over 110 years later.

3. Comparison Photos of flooding/Fire in Lutz Canyon.

Went to the engine in Lutz on January 21st, the canyon is very sad. Aside from the burnt trees, the first victim encountered is the retaining wall for the old bridge abutment; the down-hill side is largely gone, the upper side has some damage. The crossing there is cut down a good six feet, and sixty feet wide.

The trail is very rocky, some areas with deepening gullies. Where side drainages cross, major damage can be seen, as they have turned into boulder-choked gulches. The trail actually has cairns in several places now to mark the way, as it is easy to get confused as to what is trail and what is a debris (boulder) flow.

The old road switchbacks have suffered greatly, with several channels cut through them. There used to be impressive retaining walls at some spots, now also missing. As you approach the first tunnel, there were several huge spruce trees (100' plus), now all dead and burned. First glimpse of the engine is sad, as it is now mostly black, instead of green. Oh well...

-Leonard

For comparison Photos of the Miller Springs Area go to AFFECTS ON WILDLIFE etc

Has Miller Canyon had a record Flood since the Monument Fire?

Received .02 inches of rain (one trace was early morning, the other in the afternoon) 25JAN14, first since 20DEC13.
LAST NO RAIN for January was 1972, 42 years ago. Check below for other year January amounts.

Q: Have we had a record rain since the Monument Fire, like Tombstone States in their Lawsuits?
A: I have added the following tables, hope this helps in you deciding.

               RAIN       TEMP RANGE
           2013   2012      2013      2012
JAN:    2.17
    0.59      14-67    32-67 Note the 2010/2011 rain/temp amounts vs 2014.
FEB:   0.55    0.26      19-62    27-67
MAR:  1.14    0.69     30-78     23-74
APR:   0.24    0.08      38-80     29-86
MAY:  0.01    0.39      45-86     45-90
JUN:   0.65    0.26       63-96     62-94
JUL:   9.27   12.23      59-89     59-89
AUG:  5.47     1.50      58-88     59-91
SEP:   2.06     1.75       51-85     53-88
OCT:  0.00     0.00       37-78     41-83
NOV:  1.21    0.66        31-72     28-76
DEC:  0.98     2.89        24-68    22-70
          23.75   21.30

I did not get monthly data for 2011 because of the Monument Fire, just to busy.
However I did get the 2011 yearly rain which was 19.02 inches. The least amount
for the 5 year 2009-2013 period.

                RAIN       TEMP  RANGE  MAX Wind
           2010   2009      2010      2009    2010 2009
JAN:   8.45    0.56      21-61    26-66      57     43 Note the 2010/2011 rain/temp amounts vs 2014.
FEB:   3.54    0.62      26-62    24-76      46     48
MAR:  1.87    1.15     24-74    29-79      46      56
APR:   0.83    0.34     30-74    29-82       59     56
MAY:  0.01    0.21     33-86    50-87      46      36
JUN:   0.00    2.18      48-93    56-88      46      51
JUL:   6.79    3.27      58-92    60-92      37      31
AUG:  6.34    4.00      58-90    58-91      33      32
SEP:   1.90    2.11      55-86    51-87      37      34
OCT:  0.86    1.41      40-85    29-82      40      55
NOV:  0.00    0.59      20-74    33-79      51      48
DEC:  1.66    2.11      20-72    23-63      51      60
          32.25  18.55

2011 Fire Conditions: The Combination of the first 8 months of 2010 having most of the
32.25" 2010 rain, good summer vegetation, and the first 6 months of 2011 being Hot/Dry
gave Record Fire Conditions for the 2011 June Monument Fire.

Most of the 2011 rain of 19.02" came after the Fire and caused 6 Floods.

Also it seems that the Monsoon July/August amounts have switch, so that. July is now wetter.

The yearly rain average has gone from 32" to around 23" for the 2009-2013 five year period.
Yes Virginia, we are in a drought.

Since Rain Storms are what causes FLOODS, I have included 2013 storms since the July Monsoon.
Start-Stop Amount Days
07/03-03      0.36       1
07/07-07      0.07       1
07/09-10      3.19       2 enough to flood, did over 2 days
07/11-12      0.08       2
07/13-13      0.11       1
07/15-19      3.40       5 enough to flood, however over 5 DAYS
07/23-26      1.93       4 enough to flood, however over 4 DAYS
08/02-02      1.93       1 enough to flood, did a good one!
08/03-03      0.06       1
08/05-06      2.06       2 enough to flood, did over 2 DAYS
08/14-14      0.04       1
08/20-21      0.32       2
08/23-24      0.73       2 enough to flood, did over 2 DAYS
08/25-25      0.06       1
08/29-30      0.25       2
09/02-02      0.20       1
09/06-09      1.27       4 enough to flood, however over 4 DAYS
09/20-20      0.58       1
11/03-03      0.05       1
11/15-15      0.02       1
11/22-23      1.13       2 enough to flood, did over 2 DAYS
12/05-05      0.53       1
12/20-20      0.42       1
12/21-21      0.03       1

My thoughts:

The floods since the 2011 Fire were all caused by normal rains, we have NOT had a RECORD one, like 8" in
a 24 hour period.

We use to have 3-6 feet of winter Snow at the top of Miller, but since the drought this has not happened.
A warm Winter Rain on this Snow sometimes would cause a record Flood too.

After the 1977 fire, we had three 8" 24 hour rains, all because of Tropical Storms hitting SEAZ hard.
However the National Forest was not as burnt in 1977 and very few people lived downhill.

It is just a matter of time!

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